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2 years ago ::
May 17, 2011 - 9:07AM
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Eluria - unless you have changed your position on this - it looks like the ruling is made - the fire lash does not provoke and does threaten.
Voting - as current - is:
Does provoke/Doesn't Threaten: Yitzi, (me)
Doesn't provoke/Does Threaten: Eluria, Uknits
Since my vote is only to alleviate ties, the decision is made.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 23, 2012 - 7:59AM
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From a different thread:
If I'm a Pyrokineticist and use Flame Lash (yay, Flame Lash rules questions again!) I get a reach of 15ft. However, what if I then get Enlarged one way or the other, or otherwise have a larger-than normal natural reach (e.g. I'm an Ogre)? Since the text suggests the lash itself is 15ft long, does my reach stay at 15ft (or 15ft + extra natural reach, e.g. 20ft for Large, etc)? Or, do I just make a bigger lash (e.g. 30ft for Large)?
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1 year ago ::
Mar 27, 2012 - 6:50AM
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I'm not a voting member anymore, but my intuition is that the flame lash should be treated as a 15 foot reach weapon except where the rules say otherwise (e.g., ranged touch attack). So for expansion, I think it would be lash reach + natural reach (i.e., 20 ft for large).
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1 year ago ::
Mar 27, 2012 - 7:32AM
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That would make sense - but my interpretation of the intent, at least, is that the Flame Lash is meant to be like a Whip. What is the reach of a Large creature with a Large Whip?
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1 year ago ::
Mar 27, 2012 - 7:44AM
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I'm not a voting member anymore, but my intuition is that the flame lash should be treated as a 15 foot reach weapon except where the rules say otherwise (e.g., ranged touch attack). So for expansion, I think it would be lash reach + natural reach (i.e., 20 ft for large).
Everyone is a voting member Vath - the only ones who abstain are those who don't vote and me unless there is a tie.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 27, 2012 - 8:20AM
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Everyone is a voting member Vath - the only ones who abstain are those who don't vote and me unless there is a tie.
That's good to know.
To clarify, a large weapon does not get increased reach (strange as it is). So a whip, no matter the size, just adds 10 to the natural reach of the wielder. An Ogre with a whip has a reach of 20 ft.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 27, 2012 - 8:33AM
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That's not quite correct. A weapon that is sized correctly for you provides the reach according to whether it had reach normally. A weapon that is sized too small does not.
How do reach weapons work if they are of a different
size than the creature wielding them? Say, an ogre wielding
a Small or Medium glaive, or a human with the Monkey
Grip feat wielding a Large ranseur? What is the reach for
each situation?
A reach weapon doubles its wielder’s natural reach, but
only if the weapon is at least of an appropriate size for the
wielder. Wielding a “too-small” reach weapon grants no reach.
An ogre (Large) wielding a Medium or smaller reach
weapon gains no reach from the weapon, and could thus attack
foes either 5 feet or 10 feet distant (as normal for a Large
creature wielding a non-reach weapon).
A human (Medium) wielding a Large or larger reach
weapon could attack a creature 10 feet away (but no further),
and could not use the weapon to attack a creature 5 feet away
(as normal for a Medium creature wielding a reach weapon). A
human wielding a Small reach weapon would gain no reach
from the weapon.
The Player’s Handbook isn’t as clear on this as it could be,
although an example of reach in action on page 113 in the
Player’s Handbook provides pretty strong support: “A typical
Large character wielding a reach weapon of the appropriate
D&D FAQ v.3.5 54 Update Version: 10/19/07
size can attack a creature 15 or 20 feet away . . .” [italics
added]. While this reference doesn’t mention the ability to
wield a reach weapon larger than the appropriate size, allowing
such a weapon to grant reach to its wielder is a reasonable
extension of the spirit and intent of the rule.
A whip is special because it gives an even bigger range - and we have ruled it in the past that it gives the character 3x his normal reach (so a large biped with a large whip would be able to attack out to 30ft).
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1 year ago ::
Mar 27, 2012 - 10:48AM
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I would agree with 30'. That seems.... deadly.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 27, 2012 - 2:20PM
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The flame lash is odd because it specifically states that it's 15ft long. However, that's how long a normal whip is, and I think given it says that it works like a whip, that's its intent. I don't think they really intended Ogres to go into Pyrokineticist anyway, mind.
Also, a Huge creature could be devastating with a flame lash if it threatens too (though to be honest, anything beyond 10ft is kinda nasty).
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 7:30PM
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I'm still inclined to say that a flame lash only increases reach by 10 ft.
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