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3 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 6:30AM #1
Eluria
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Situation: Ant (dromite, with blind fight) is battling Saevherne (elf) in pitch black conditions.  Saevherne is trying to hit Ant w/ a sword (thus, engaging in melee); Ant is trying to shoot stuff at Saevherne (thus, attacking with ranged weapons) - is Ant "in melee" with Saevherne?  Is Saevherne "in melee" with Ant? 

I ran the fight as Ant, since using ranged attacks, did not gain benefit of blind-fight feat's reroll miss chances due to darkness - because Ant wasn't meleeing Saevherne.  I looked, and can't find clear rules. 

Thoughts?
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 23, 2010 - 9:14AM #2
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The blind fight feat is specific that it is "melee." Under the invisibility special ability, it mentions less:

SRD, Abilities and Conditions, Invisibility wrote:

A creature with the Blind-Fight feat has a better chance to hit an invisible creature. Roll the miss chance twice, and he misses only if both rolls indicate a miss. (Alternatively, make one 25% miss chance roll rather than two 50% miss chance rolls.)




 


However, it does mention this:


SRD, Abilities and Conditions, Invisibility wrote:


If an invisible creature strikes a character, the character struck still knows the location of the creature that struck him (until, of course, the invisible creature moves). The only exception is if the invisible creature has a reach greater than 5 feet. In this case, the struck character knows the general location of the creature but has not pinpointed the exact location.




Which makes me believe the intent is the within 5 feet - since a character with a reach weapon would be hidden more effectively.


Anyway - there's not a lot going for it either way, so any other opinions are welcome.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 23, 2010 - 2:15PM #3
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Can I say that you've already convinced me?  I didn't think to look at invisibility... and honestly, if you're skilled at fighting within 5', it's to hit someone in front of you, and however you're striking them you should have the same skilled training (always gets sketchy to interpret things with "using logic.") - it's such a rare feat, and does really very little most of the time, based on those excerpts I'd be fine making it reroll all misses within 5', or that the intent of "in melee" is "within melee weapon range of a foe"


although what if you had an ally, and they were firing at you; would they have a -4 to hit, because you're in melee?  I'd say yes - and that further supports that even if you're shooting at someone adjacent to you, you are in melee... right? 
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