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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 6:28AM
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Hey guys, well I saw this group and I thought it might be fun to give it a go. I just rolled up a Human Psion 2/Rogue 1 here: community.wizards.com/coco/wiki//The_Fre...Is there anything else I need to do? Also am I right in my reading of the rules that I can use "Discount" as a free option to get back some of the cost of one of my items? Do I have to wait to add this amount back on, and can I use Court Connections with that? Thanks.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 7:07AM
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I've already replied to your PM, but on the matter of discount, you can use it for purchases during your fight cycle, not for things before or in between fight cycles. So if you wanted to use discount for 7.33% on a mithril breastplate, you'd have to pay for it with money you have, but it wouldn't be available until after the fight cycle.
In terms of an optimization point, you would get an immediate return on your money if you put the ranks in craft (armorsmithing) and just crafted it (for a 50% reduction in price). Of course, if you intend on using discount more in the future - that's fine - but you wouldn't be able to afford the mithril breastplate as is anyway.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 7:31AM
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OK, I'll change my action to something else then. When during the fight cycle am I allowed to buy things (and get a discount on them) and does that take up the free action?
As for the Mirthal Breastplate - being Mithral it's treated as light armour, so I mistakenly applied that before determining the cost of making it mithral (which is of course absurd) but you're right, a Chain Shirt will be almost as good.
The SRD didn't mention the Exotic Weapon Proficiency required for the Light Repeating Crossbow, but again a plain one will probably be fine.
Thanks for the help, I'll make those changed and I guess it'd be worth putting a point in Craft (Armoursmithing) as you suggest - the DC for a Mithral Chain Shirt is only 14, right? I can't see an increase for it being Mithral.
EDIT: Can I use Craft untrained? I'd probably put a point or two in it anyway for the furture, but with +4 from Int and +2 from tools I wouldn't actually need anything more to craft simple things.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 8:14AM
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- Heroic Dungeon Master
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Mithril is treated as Masterwork - so it is DC20 to craft (so you need a total of +10 in the skill). If you can get that untrained - go ahead.
Discount does take up your free action for the week. Most of the people who do it tend to use it on the 3rd fight of the fight cycle - so that they have built up some cash from the first two fights. That said, it doesn't outweight craft (armor) or craft (weapon) in terms of savings. If you are using it for magic items though - you can save some serious cash with it (I think I remember seeing someone hit about 20% discount when purchasing a bronze griffon - so 8000gp versus the standard 10kgp.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 8:25AM
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Welcome! It's great to see new peeps around; CoCo is an awesome place, and has a great crowd. your character looks pretty good, I don't see any obvious/glaring issues (besides what you and Telin have addressed above).
re: crafting vs discount, I echo what Telin says, with the note that early on / low levels, gold is scarce, and items are generally cheaper, so crafting them, or having extra income from the craft skill, makes a big impact; but later on, as items get more expensive, even a 10% discount can outweigh weeks and weeks of crafting (as noted by the bronze griffon example).
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 8:52AM
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Thanks, I've put enough points in to make the armour (+4 from Int +2 from tools mean I only needed 4). Early on, Sell actually looks quite attractive since it needs less skill points than Discount, and you could craft things and sell them on for a profit. Getting Gather Information would eat up my rogue points though (I'd probably have to trade Sense Motive for it). You could start with a 1000 or two gp of items crafted and get back a nice little bonus.
However, I guess that later on Discount will be more useful, and it's easier to improve since Sell takes the lower of the two skills, right? For someone without Sense Motive, that's hard to do.
Anyway I think that's all in order now, I updated the craft action (lowered my money-making craft a bit) and so forth. Thanks for all the help.
EDIT: I figured I also may as well craft my dagger (DC 12) and crossbow (DC 15); it doesn't actually save me any money once I buy the tools, but then I have them for the future.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 9:00AM
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Interesting character, curious how that works out. I have a couple minor points for you.
1. Mithral chain shirts actually only weigh 10 lbs. This is an exception to the rule that mithral armour weighs half because mithral chain shirts are directly mentioned in specific armours.
2. You can start with as much crafted equipment as you want. You may as well list the armour as crafted since you have 10 craft, armour skill which would reduce its price to 550 and save you some serious cash. You could also craft a masterwork buckler (remember, no armour check penalty because of the -1 for being masterwork which means no non-proficiency penalties) for a paltry 82.5 gold. You could also afford to craft that Mithral Breastplate for 2,100 gold like you opriginaly wanted to.
3. Finally, I hate to say, but you need 5 actual ranks in a skill to get a synergy bonus. This means you don't have enough ranks to get a synergy bonus for appraise, armour.
Still, not bad overall. Can't wait to see your first fight.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 10:56AM
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Thanks for the tip on the armour and pointing out the mistake on Appraise (I got it confused with my other crafting skill, from when I still had over 4 ranks). I did think about crafting a shield, but I didn't since I'm not proficient in shields; I guess if it's masterwork the ACP is 0 though so it's OK. I was also going to use Force Shield but given I'm tight on PP it's probably worth having at least a base +1 AC (I was going to use Inertial Barrier too, actually, since at higher levels I can prebuff with it but actual armour is better I think).
I had intended to have the armour crafted, but I should probably write that on the sheet.
I'm not really sure how the character's going to work out. I've never played anything Psionic before, and Practiced Manifester isn't in Core, right? I'd originally intended to go into Elocator but I wanted an Astral Construct to make it easier to flank. As it is I hope to make use of similar tactics, sniping with Energy Ray and stuff. I guess we'll soon see.
I guess if I'm crafting I could get the Breastplate after all, but I'm not sure if it's worth it for 1 AC given it would also give me -1 ACP and weigh 5 lbs more (which I think would take me up to a Medium load given my poor Strength).
I also moved some skill points into Diplomacy, since that's going to be harder to increase later than the Psionic ones, and it opens up Political Career.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 11:11AM
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For shields, a common tactic is actually to get a dorje of force screen. +4 shield AC, and 50 charges will last you quite a while. Aside from that, I am curious how flanking will work with astral constructs.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 04, 2012 - 11:52AM
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Welcome to the Core Coliseum.
Ever want to try your hand at optimizing, but don't like excessive splatbook use? Come visit the Core Coliseum today, and give it a try.
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