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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 10:39AM
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I was actually surprised that Lorcan didn't use the books lie for his own advantage. It seems like he stood to gain more by just staying quiet and letting Farideh believe the Book's lie then he does telling her the truth.
Well, he does have that pesky noble streak...
Actually, the thing I like about devils is that they're playing a game several steps ahead. And while I'm not going to argue this was Lorcan's most canny move, I think he can salvage it.
Oh Sweet Gods! Dahl, you might get your paladin-hood back, but your never going to get your manhood back. Angst filled teenage outbursts are not a good way to recover from embarrassment. You should be happy it was Farideh and not one of the Banites. Especially not Mira.
While I'd argue that reaction was largely about Farideh being the one standing there...I can't help but giggle at the idea of it being Mira. Poor Dahl.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 11:49AM
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Woah! woah! woah!
"Which is probably pretty excellent if you can pass for a human more easily--why volunteer you're a tiefling if you don't have to?"
Are you saying, theoretically atleast, we can still concider demon-born Tieflings to still be described as they were pre-spellplague? (There are just FAR fewer of them now?)
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:25PM
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I was actually surprised that Lorcan didn't use the books lie for his own advantage. It seems like he stood to gain more by just staying quiet and letting Farideh believe the Book's lie then he does telling her the truth.
Well, he does have that pesky noble streak...
Actually, the thing I like about devils is that they're playing a game several steps ahead. And while I'm not going to argue this was Lorcan's most canny move, I think he can salvage it.
Oh Sweet Gods! Dahl, you might get your paladin-hood back, but your never going to get your manhood back. Angst filled teenage outbursts are not a good way to recover from embarrassment. You should be happy it was Farideh and not one of the Banites. Especially not Mira.
While I'd argue that reaction was largely about Farideh being the one standing there...I can't help but giggle at the idea of it being Mira. Poor Dahl.
I can't help but ponder how much smaller the reaction would be had Mira had the chance to pounce on that opportunity. Between Tam and Dahl, Mira could have ended up with majority influence over the harpers... 
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 1:31PM
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Woah! woah! woah!
"Which is probably pretty excellent if you can pass for a human more easily--why volunteer you're a tiefling if you don't have to?"
Are you saying, theoretically atleast, we can still concider demon-born Tieflings to still be described as they were pre-spellplague? (There are just FAR fewer of them now?)
I think that works within the lore as it exists, yes. Again, I think if you ask a random person on Toril "what is a tiefling?" they're going to describe an Asmodean tiefling. But that certainly doesn't mean the random person on Toril knows what everybody's blood is doing.
So, yeah, if you want a demon-born tiefling with teeny horns and maybe a weird vibe, there's room in this explanation for that without breaking canon.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 3:21PM
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Woah! woah! woah!
"Which is probably pretty excellent if you can pass for a human more easily--why volunteer you're a tiefling if you don't have to?"
Are you saying, theoretically atleast, we can still concider demon-born Tieflings to still be described as they were pre-spellplague? (There are just FAR fewer of them now?)
I think that works within the lore as it exists, yes. Again, I think if you ask a random person on Toril "what is a tiefling?" they're going to describe an Asmodean tiefling. But that certainly doesn't mean the random person on Toril knows what everybody's blood is doing.
So, yeah, if you want a demon-born tiefling with teeny horns and maybe a weird vibe, there's room in this explanation for that without breaking canon.
<.< See how awesome you are? What an awesome explanation...Now next time you have Super Secret Sundering Six club house meeting, you need ot run this by Ed and James (Then they could run it by mike?) so that it could one day appear in a splat book. While I know the Asmodean Tiefling will be the standard in D&D from here on out, but it would be cool if there was a "Races of Faerun" like book that could talk about Demonic Tieflings and how to stat one. *cough* Doo Eet.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 12, 2013 - 3:42PM
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While I can't say for sure what the D&DNext Tieflings entry will look like, I can say that all are well aware of my explanation and the open places it leaves. 
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4 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 11:44AM
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So I went back and reread this section. There's a lot of stuff I forgot was in here! The scene where Brin sees the illusion of his father's funeral is one of my favorites in the book--and one of my favorites ever. (Also one of my favorite chapter endings ever. )I felt like it was a place where I really knew Brin better than before, and all his character aspects kind of came together. The scene where Farideh sees the illusion of Lorcan and is then confronted by the Ghost Tam was one I pitched for the cover. I think it would have made people CRAZY! (...well, at least a few people) Tam attacking a bloody Lorcan while Farideh tries to get in the way? BWAHAHAHAH! Clearly, Nina would prefer not to make readers sweat. Much. And, if you follow me adn Paul S. Kemp on Twitter (which you should, especially Paul, as he's hilarious) here is the scene that led me to ask if he'd ever said what dead shades smell like. Lastly, on reread, sleypy, I think Lorcan's less noble in his intentions when he tells Farideh the truth and more spitballing. He assumes first that she knows, and braces for her to rip into him. And then she spins this completely outlandish version and he's so confused he reacts genuinely--WTF is she talking about? Now there's someone else trying to control her, and that's what he's zeroed in on--some jerk is horning in on his warlock. He's more interested in discrediting The Book in that moment. But he does realize that was a bad move when she refuses to accept that he won't tell her. I'm curious too: 1. Did anyone believe the Book's explanation? 2. How quick did everyone recognize Ghost Tam when he arrived at the camp?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 12:55PM
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<.< There is no nobility in lorcan, everything he does serves his own purposes.
And yes, PSK is Hi-larious on twitter, and quite witty at times >.>
1) I chose to give The Book the benefit of the doubt, since I didnt know anything to contradict it.
2) I was all D< No! ghost illusion thing! keel eet! >.>;
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4 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 1:14PM
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> 1. Did anyone believe the Book's explanation?
When it comes to the 'origin' of the Brimestone Angels, I did not disbelieve Book anymore than I assume Lorcan is not telling the whole truth...which is an awkward way to say that I think no one is giving us the Real Story on Farideh's ancestory...
And, in fact, I do not anticipate anyone ever will give the entire "real" story...That is the strength of the backstory, only Asmedeus knows for sure--and he will likely be more manipulative than Book when we finally level up enought to ask him!
What I love about the 'version' of the Brimstone Angels that Book gives is that it sheds more light on his manipulative genius...the facts Book presents, the spin Book places on the events, etc. all point to a very evil psychotic entity. Which, when read as metaphor, is just fantastic! The mastermind behind all that is evil with the Library is not the Ghosts, is not the nightmare visions, but is BOOK! which, ironically, is the simple basic building block of all Libraries.
Have I mentioned how much I love Book?
> 2. How quick did everyone recognize Ghost Tam when he arrived at the camp?
During this section so much of the Library Experience had moved into 'don't trust anything you see' that I was fairly suspect from the start.
Great questions!
Thanks, David S.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2013 - 2:00PM
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So I went back and reread this section. There's a lot of stuff I forgot was in here!
The scene where Brin sees the illusion of his father's funeral is one of my favorites in the book--and one of my favorites ever. (Also one of my favorite chapter endings ever. )I felt like it was a place where I really knew Brin better than before, and all his character aspects kind of came together.
This section really sold it for me. Brin's background story marks the first time ever I have been interested in Cormyr. I can't wait for Brin to introduce Havi to the family. I hope she is able to find an appropriately colored silk ribbon for her glaive.
The scene where Farideh sees the illusion of Lorcan and is then confronted by the Ghost Tam was one I pitched for the cover. I think it would have made people CRAZY! (...well, at least a few people) Tam attacking a bloody Lorcan while Farideh tries to get in the way? BWAHAHAHAH!
Clearly, Nina would prefer not to make readers sweat. Much.
Nina is indeed wise. That is just so very wrong.
Lastly, on reread, sleypy, I think Lorcan's less noble in his intentions when he tells Farideh the truth and more spitballing. He assumes first that she knows, and braces for her to rip into him. And then she spins this completely outlandish version and he's so confused he reacts genuinely--WTF is she talking about? Now there's someone else trying to control her, and that's what he's zeroed in on--some jerk is horning in on his warlock. He's more interested in discrediting The Book in that moment. But he does realize that was a bad move when she refuses to accept that he won't tell her.
Yeah that was what I found weird about his reaction. He managed to survive torture, solitary confinement and a conjugal booby trap; all while keeping his wits enough to think about both his long term survival while his short term survival was in jeopardy. He seemed to handle the situation completely differently.
I suppose if it was an actual game of D&D it wouldn't be since a d20 is involved so in away its not as weird in that respects.
I'm curious too:
1. Did anyone believe the Book's explanation?
2. How quick did everyone recognize Ghost Tam when he arrived at the camp?
1. Completely bought it. My "want to believe" surpassed my passive skepticism.
2. I thought Tam might have been acting odd, but so many odd things were going on by this time it wasn't sure. It took the real Tam showed up for me to realize.
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