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6 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 7:29PM
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Sorry for the delay on getting this forum up today! Anyway, without further ado, let's dig into Lesser Evils.
This forum will cover the Prologue and Chapters 1-3, pages 1-54.
Looking forward to your thoughts, as always.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 8:44PM
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Ready to answer any questiona! And here is my late Book Club Baby picture. This is the only one I got of him holding the book. The second I snapped it, he threw it down and went after my phone. :p \
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6 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 5:41AM
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Yes! We're going to have to get a "Book Club babies" gallery going at some point.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 9:08AM
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Dado, I'm suddenly not sure if I told you congratulations. So congratulations! Time to start working on names.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 10:37AM
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Thanks! We're working on a name. I expect we'll have made a decision at some point during this discussion, so I'll let everyone know then.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 4:19PM
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My babies are 16 and 12 so they stopped being cute a long time ago.  The beginning of Lesser Evils reminds me a lot of the beginning of Brimstone Angels in the fact that I thought it was very engaging and pulled me right in. I think it has been about 7 months since we read Brimstone Angels together and I was a little worried that I would need the first three or four chapters to remember some of the characters from the first book. Rohini is a good example of this, as it did take me a minute to remember her role in Brimstone Angels. Ultimately, this ended up not being the case though, as I felt like I was fully caught up again early in Chapter 2. Poor Lorcan. I really don't envy his situation at all. Erin does a nice job of providing a sense of just how dreadful the Sixth Layer of Hell is, and just how intimidating Lorcan's sisters can be. I really thought these parts were well written as I found myself groaning whenever it seemed anything was going from bad to worse. It also gives you the feeling that he will have no choice but to break eventually and give up either Farideh or Havilar. Now for my favorite part of this first section....the introduction of The Fisher. I really got into the mystery of this character. Tam seems to view him as a bureaucrat with no real sense of what is out there. The mysterious lady, that I believe was called Mira, seems to view him as lazy and/or inept. However, when I got to this passage... "Her true identity hadn't been difficult to puzzle out- even if she hadn't told him her name, with those dark eyes he would have suspected. Twenty five years in the field, missing such a detail would have him reaching for the hemlock. No place in the world for spied who've slipped" ...I really felt like I had completely misjudged his character. I expected the hairs on the back of my neck to stand up when I realized how dangerous he could truly be and this whole time I thought he was a fat toad. I am very excited to see how his character ends up developing as I think he may make for a really good villain. Finally, I like the dream sequences with Farideh. I can't really tell if they will end up being a foreshadowing, or if they are just a clever red herring, but I think Erin handles these well. There is enough to make you start guessing at the things to come but not enough to make you think you have things figured out by Chapter 3.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 9:00PM
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Sep 30, 2006
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I'm also a big fan of Farideh's dream section. I found that it did a good job of being vividly disturbing in the way that most nightmares seem to be. The way it was interjected into the scene while Farideh talked with Tam was really well done too.
As far as horse names go, I think Squall is probably the coolest, and I was really sad to see Mehen sell him. I got over it after Constancia's little outburst at poor Havilar. I get why her opinon of Brin's new friends is so low, but that line really took me by surprise.
I really liked Tam's scene with Vishter, especially after having read The Resurrection Agent inbetween Brimstone Angels and this new book.
Now, about Adolican Rhand. While his name may be very cool, I must say that I didn't pick up on his creepyness during this scene on my first readthrough. Part of me feels like the only reason he bought that statue is so he could create awkward moments by forcing people to look at it.
I have some other stuff I want to post about, but there's time for that tomorrow.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 6:10AM
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I am going to be in Iceland for the next 4 days so I will post as many comments as I can before I go!
I did like the beginning of Lesser Evils. In a departure from form, this sequel does not feel the need to treat us like children with no memory of what came before and dump the whole plot of the first book on us in the first few pages. Aspects of Angels are brought in as the narrative requires, though I would expect the narrative was constructed to make those details available to us again.
I like this, more integrated, approach.
The interplay in cutting scenes between the disturbing images in Malbolge, Farideh's dreams and the comparatively more normal events in Waterdeep keeps us on our toes with a sense of peril that I think may have faded if we got the Prologue on its own, followed by the Waterdeep scenes. It is a little close to the bone for me sometimes, but generally I enjoyed the way the plot has played out in these early chapters a great deal.
Tam, the Harpers, the Fisher and Mira were all handled with an appropriate level of mystery. The current state of the Harpers is made painfully clear, compared to their mightier days. The reference to Danilo was a nice addition too.
All in all, a solid start. Not entirely enjoyable in places (who really enjoys scenes of torture and brutality?) but all the more compelling for that.
There is probably more, but I should be getting back to work now.
My approach to the NPCs of previous editions. Spoiler:
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I always saw the High Level NPCs as shepherds of the Realms not its defenders. Making sure that not too many sheep were lost as they milled around (as they are wont to do) and bringing on the young'uns into the job. In that way a shepherd never has time to go and hunt down all of the wolves but is pretty dashed effective at keeping them away from the sheep when they rear their heads. "It was a puzzle why things were always dragged kicking and screaming. No one ever seemed to want to, for example, lead them gently by the hand." - Terry Pratchett
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6 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 9:03AM
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Aug 11, 2012
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"That line took em by surprise" is an understatement! Constant thoughts of being all stabby-stabby-stab-stab on that bi...uh the scene was emotional >.>
And I forgot that line! It was brilliant of Erin to toss in Dani's name as a reference to what the Harpers were compared to what they are now.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:59AM
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Really nice comeback for the Harpers, showing how they have all these troubles of an organization trying to regain it's former glory. I already feared the Harpers would introduced back into the realms and continue like nothing ever happened. Nice to see how the last few decades had their price.
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