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1 year ago  ::  Apr 24, 2012 - 4:14PM #11
tsukimasu
Date Joined: Mar 15, 2010
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One last question, James, if I may - do you have a feeling on how word limits vary for WotC novels? I do wonder sometimes whether hard word limits have more of an impact on story than perhaps desirable - are there different 'categories' of WotC novel with different lengths, or does it depend solely on the story idea being proposed? (I seem to recall hearing that one benefit of books solely published electronically is that they can have a more flexible word count)

I've got a copy of 'Shield of Weeping Ghosts' on the way, so looking forward to reading that - also picked up a copy of Brimstone Angels, so I'm all set to go on that front, too.

Cheers,
Steve
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 24, 2012 - 10:05PM #12
JPDavis
Date Joined: Jul 13, 2009
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Well, I'm not sure about the digital editions, but my word limits were always set at a recommended 90,000 words. It could come in slightly under or over, but that was the baseline. I usually went over. I believe SHIELD was the most over (somewhere around 105,000, maybe?). And I do recall that the Wilds series the word limit was a bit lower, 80-85,000 I think, but I'm not sure how they choose. I'm sure the hardcovers probably get a bit more word count for the space, but all the paperbacks are generally the same. The few I've seen that are way over 90K are pretty obvious on the shelf (and are typically Ed Greenwood's, who probably could write one awesome book in several volumes, lol).

Hope you enjoy Shield! Be sure to let me know what you think of it! It was definitely the one FR book that I felt closest to, for the main character, the setting, and the themes all throughout.

Best,
--James
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 5:46AM #13
dadocollin
Date Joined: Feb 19, 2006
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With my crazy schedule the last few weeks, I finally finished the book and really enjoyed how different it was from the others we've read in the Book Club.  There's definitely a darker flavor to this one that other Realms authors try for but might not always reach with the success that James does.  The characters were very unique and interesting, especially (for me) the female characters.  If I think about which characters I would personally want to read more about, I think Quess and Mara are on the top of my list. Jinn's internal struggle between doing what's right and doing whatever is necessary to defeat Sathariel also created nice dilemmas throughout the book and added another level to his character.

My only complaints are those of a few of the others: mainly that I got confused by the plot in places and I think the overall flow of the book was a bit broken at times (but remember I was reading this very sporadically and this certainly made it worse).  Someone else pointed out to me that this was the only Ed Greenwood Presents: Waterdeep novel that wasn't titled after a place in Waterdeep.  I think that was a hint right from the start that this particular story wasn't nearly as linked to Waterdeep as the others in the series.  I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily, but I can see that bothering people who might be reading through the series and expecting books that really felt like Waterdeep.

Two questions for James (if you're still hanging around):

1.  I've asked this of all the other authors because it's something I'm really interested in, and because I'd like to put this information together at some point for everyone: What links are there between your Realms novels?  Do characters from one appear in another, etc.?  (I think you already mentioned Bastun, but any others?)  I love interconnectedness between books, even if its just a mention here and there.

2. You gave us a hint at the beginning of this forum that you might wax philosophical about why Circle didn't merit a sequel from Wizards.  I'm very curious about why Wizards does/does not sign on for a sequel, as they seem to have switched their publishing model from one where they sign authors to a trilogy to one where they see if a book succeeds and then go from there.  This seems smart in terms of sales, but not necessarily a good thing for the authors.  Do you think the decision to sign for the sequel is solely based on sales or are there other factors that come into play? As a follow-up to that - Any idea why the Waterdeep series was 7 books?  Was there a definite goal for 7 or did they keep going until they thought the series was spent?

Thanks again, James! 
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 10:21AM #14
JPDavis
Date Joined: Jul 13, 2009
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Still around and checking in! Glad you enjoyed the book! For your questions:

1.) I think the primary links between my books are mostly themes and tiny details. I like themes that are darker for sure, characters that are pushed toward moral decisions that, in the hands of more clear-cut 'heroes' and 'villains', might take a different turn, and I enjoy having large stakes on the table. In Bloodwalk it was a town (though the implications of taking the town could have threatened the region). In The Shield of Weeping Ghosts, it was a city and a hellish power, possibly sparking a losing war for the wychlaren against their enemies the durthan. In Restless Shore, it took a much more Lovecraftian turn in that the villains' conquest was incidental to their enthralling gospel. And in Circle of Skulls, if Asmodeus had been successful (as he was the true off-camera villain/puppeteer), the whole of the Realms could have been at stake (see answer to question #2, heh). So my stakes got bigger and bigger. And details-wise, there's a book that appears in Shield of Weeping Ghosts that bears a striking resemblance to one of Morgynn's spellbooks in Bloodwalk; Restless Shore didn't have any easter eggs actually, 'twas its own beast, heh; and in Circle of Skulls, there was Bastun, giving my favorite character a place and a future in the Realms (and a whole 100 years of untold story, gah!).

2.) Though Wizards doesn't necessarily call us up and tell an author their reasoning for not offering another novel (plus all my contacts within Wizards have been fired, left the company, or no longer have the access they once had to internal decisions) I suspect it was for obvious reasons why Jinn and/or Bastun did not get a continuation. Many of the themes in the 4th edition Realms were more 'high-adventure' (and definitely not "high-fantasy" as it was described in the original style guide), much more related to their gaming audience (obvious for novels based on a game). And my novels were dark (and getting darker at the same rate as my stakes got higher), less adventurous, more horror-related, much less connected to the game rules (wasn't a fan of the 4th edition rules, especially magic, really struggled with magic writing Circle of Skulls). And as many have said, my books don't have that Realms "feel", which is odd to me when people think of that as a detrimental point, since the Forgotten Realms is an entire world. Look at the fiction section in any bookstore, what's the "feel" comparison between say "Fight Club" and "The Great Gatsby"? They take place on the same planet, yet they have two different styles and feels, themes and characters, etc. Seems to me that horror is a part of any world, especially one with magic. Magic by itself is not horror, but in the spaces between spells, where things are forgotten and that energy is left to intermingle and make all kinds of interesting beasties...anyway, for another point: stakes. I read one of the old rules for Realms novels once, a guideline that goes "Don't blow up the moon!" And ever since I read that, well, I had an irrational urge to blow up the moon! lol

So, really, who knows what the actual reasons are, but I don't doubt that a few of those may have played a part (for the record my sales appear comparable to other books in the same series). Moving forward though, my current novel project definitely does not have a Realms feel (lower fantasy and much higher horror content).

And unless there is another Waterdeep book that I'm not aware of, I thought there were only six in the series: Blackstaff Tower, Mistshore, Downshadow, City of the Dead, The God Catcher, and Circle of Skulls, right?

Thanks for the questions (keep 'em coming if ya' got 'em) and I hope my answers don't disappoint!

--James
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:30AM #15
dadocollin
Date Joined: Feb 19, 2006
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You're right, there are only 6.  I must be imaging the lost 7th book of the series (which is interesting because there have been a few "lost" books in the Realms, most notably a Salvatore continuation written by someone other than Salvatore when they weren't sure he would sign a contract and apparently an additional book in the Sembia series that never saw the light).

Is your current project for Wizards or something outside of D&D?  It's too bad they didn't release the Ravenloft campaign setting.  I imagine writing in that setting would have been a great fit for you!
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 12:03PM #16
JPDavis
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Writing for Ravenloft would have been awesome! I love those books and that setting, but no, my current novel is my own creation, in my own world, with my own deadlines (a blessing and a curse). BUT, if Ravenloft were to come back someday and a chance to contribute were available, I would be all in for sure.
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