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1 year ago  ::  Feb 20, 2012 - 5:39AM #1
dadocollin
Date Joined: Feb 19, 2006
Posts: 503
Well, another book club selection goes the way of the City of the Dead.  May it rest in peace!  Seriously though, it seems like we flew through this one, a testament to it being a great read.

Use this final forum to give us not only thoughts on this section, but also on the book as a whole and remember to ask Rosemary any final questions. (Not that she's disappearing, but while she's here, you should take advantage!)

And the best way to thank our authors is to support them with your praise and your wallet.  Recommend this novel to your friends, write a review on Amazon or Goodreads, and go out and buy a copy of Crypt of the Moaning Diamond or download Cold, Steel, and Secrets.  (I've read the former and it's worth your time, and I'm planning on downloading the latter very soon to catch up on Neverwinter.)

Thanks again, Rosemary, for your time and thoughtful responses!

This section will cover:

Chapters 25-31.

That's pages 254-305.  Looking forward to your thoughts, as always.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 23, 2012 - 4:35PM #2
gold_piece
Date Joined: Jun 4, 2008
Posts: 579

Just finished the book!  I really, really liked the part of the story when Lord Adarbrent explains that his final motivation for stopping/punishing Stunk was because his  true-love’s grave was about to be taken over by Stunk’s ruthless pursuit.  It makes the story so much more special that in the end, Adarbrent was motivated not so much by revenge, but by an old man’s last wish to be buried next to the only woman he loved.  I was really touched when I learned this.  It reminded me to give my wife a hug and tell her how much she means to me.  And it was very sweet that Adarbrent was able to explain this secret part of his life to Sophraea, one of his few living friends.


Now then… I was thinking that Sophraea would rethink her decision to become a dressmaker after her adventures in the graveyard.  This was, in many ways, a coming of age story for her, and I suspect she’ll never be the same.  Although it’s left up to the reader to guess what happens, I like to think that she’ll decide to stay at Dead End house and carry on the Carver tradition.  And there might be a few more kisses with a handsome young wizard.  What do you guys think?


Excellent story.  Many thanks to Rosemary and the other readers for making this so enjoyable. 


Final request – Rosemary, please let me know if you attend some event in Seattle where our paths might cross.  I’d be happy to meet.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 10:45AM #3
dadocollin
Date Joined: Feb 19, 2006
Posts: 503
Just finished.  I also thought everything was wrapped up really well with the unveiling of Adarbrent's true motivation.  It's refreshing to read a Wizards novel that isn't positioning itself for a sequel as well.

This book as a whole is fascinating to me because it's really so different from other D&D novels.  With a character that isn't really a class of any sort (and doesn't seem very interested in becoming one), you really get a different type of story without the typical "quest-like" scenes of combat.  Not that there wasn't any combat, just that it didn't have the feel of D&D combat.  This would be a good novel for someone not at all familiar with D&D or the Realms, and maybe even someone who hadn't read a lot of fantasy.  I've  been trying to get my wife to join us for a Book Club discussion, and I'm kicking myself for not getting her in to this one.  This would have been the perfect book.

I think about this book and then I think about Shadowbane, and this one is really PG rated while SB I'd say is at least PG13 if not R.  I would feel comfortable giving City of the Dead to a 10 year old, while I'm not sure I would want anyone under maybe 16 reading Shadowbane.  Actually some of the scenes in Neverwinter were a little racy too, but Salvatore has always had a little of that.  I'm not saying I prefer one way or the other.  I enjoyed all of these books.  I just wonder how this comes into play when Wizards considers a target audience for a new book.  You almost don't know what you're going to get.  I'd just throw out one question then - should Wizards do a better job of breaking their novels into more distinct series and categories so readers and parents know what they're getting into?

Again, you'd have to work pretty hard to offend me, I just think it's fascinating in terms of the publishing dynamic here and in light of some of the discussion we had about some scenes in Shadowbane and a particularly graphic rape scene in Unbroken Chain.  I don't like a "one size fits all" rule for what can/can't go in a D&D novel, and on the other end I think making a book like City of the Dead Young Adult might kill the sales.  Anyway, enough of me going on. (Rosemary, this should give you some good coffee chat next time you talk with Eric.) 

Great job with this book writing a contained, unique story.  Although I thought the plot may have been a bit too simple overall, it was made up for with setting and character.  I think I may have like Crypt of the Moaning Diamond better, but I'm comparing two books I really enjoyed.  I'll have to try out Cold, Steel, and Secrets and see how that turned out.

Keep up the great writing, Rosemary, and thanks once more for all your thoughtful responses and participation. 
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 12:49PM #4
gold_piece
Date Joined: Jun 4, 2008
Posts: 579
Dado - that's funny.  I'm also encouraging my wife to read City of the Dead. It is a good/light introduction into the D&D world for casual readers.  We'll see...
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 12:51PM #5
RosemaryJones
Date Joined: May 22, 2008
Posts: 31
First and foremost, it's been delightful to drop in and read your comments. Thanks so much.

I think you'll find COLD STEEL & SECRETS is a more typical D&D adventure.  But hopefully with a few surprises. 

I've had several ten-year-olds tell me that they really enjoyed CITY OF THE DEAD, so do feel free to pass it to the next generation of dice rollers. Got to get them addicted young!  One of the best compliments that I've received as an author was to hear from a parent that their eleven-year-old daughter carried the book to the dinner table because "she couldn't stop, not yet."  I remember how exciting such a moment was for me as a young reader -- and hope to pass that same joy to others, always!

Whether or not it creates more sales, I'm comfortable labeling my work as "young adult" -- as long as nobody here ever feels too old to enjoy a romp through a graveyard. 

I try to post readings and other events at my website. Right now, I'm finishing up a very fun young adult project for a Seattle publisher, Timid Pirate. You can find me at their table at Seattle's Emerald City Comic Con next month, but the book won't be out until next winter.  Out right now is FORESHADOWS, a fascinating collection of cyberpunk stories matched with music. Again there's more about this over at my website, but I will just mention that a certain gent with initials E.G. has a story in this one!

Keep reading, keep writing, and keep adventuring!
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 25, 2012 - 4:18PM #6
tsukimasu
Date Joined: Mar 15, 2010
Posts: 153

Feb 23, 2012 -- 4:35PM, gold_piece wrote:

I really, really liked the part of the story when Lord Adarbrent explains that his final motivation for stopping/punishing Stunk was because his  true-love’s grave was about to be taken over by Stunk’s ruthless pursuit.  It makes the story so much more special that in the end, Adarbrent was motivated not so much by revenge, but by an old man’s last wish to be buried next to the only woman he loved.




I enjoyed this book very much - it wasn't a typical adventure, but I think it worked tremendously well. For me, it was a story about family, relationships and history, and how those shape the future. I thought the characters were portrayed well - each had a place in the world, and had tales to tell. I was moved throughout at how close the Carver family was, and by Briarsting's comments that the place was too full of life to be called Dead End House. Adarbrent's history with Vyvaine was particularly bittersweet, as gold_piece describes well.

I thought that the change in Sophraea and Gustin's futures worked well - she's perhaps made him ever-so-slightly more respectable, whilst his confidence and enthusiasm for Waterdeep has awoken the spirit of adventure in her.

With some novels you get the sensation that the world ceases to exist beyond the borders of the scene you're reading; with this book, I felt that I was following a thread through a much wider landscape with other stories playing out all around, and it made me want to learn more about Waterdeep and what else there is to find in the city. The plot might not have been as convoluted as some other books I've read, but to be honest I thought it suited Sophraea and Gustin perfectly - they've learnt a lot about themselves and each other through the experience, and they thrive in each other's company. It's clear they'll be sharing some adventures together. I do wonder how long Gustin can escape a run-in with Leaplow, though

The pacing of the book was great - typically after chapter 5 or thereabouts I struggled to put the book down, so I've been re-reading each section for the discussions, and enjoying it just as much the second time around. And re-reading Ed Greenwood's introduction again, I can understand what motivated him to write it, too.

So, thank you, Rosemary, and thanks to the other book club members - I enjoyed this session greatly.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 7:39PM #7
davidgiven
Date Joined: Mar 17, 2010
Posts: 275
Finished! With Plenty of time to spare before the next book starts--just a word of advice, do not try to reread Game of Thrones before HBO Season 2 starts while participating in a book club!

I REALLY like this book--I loved the love story, the family drama, the nobility, the locations, the language, the dialog, the flow, the reveals--man! I love just about everything about this book--even the comic relief side kick gaurdians!

Just a great book--thank you so much Rosemary for writing this one--I cannot wait for the next one! Several times during this book I thought how much I would LOVE to see you take a crack at Dark Sun! 
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